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		<title>Comment on OKC&#8217;s new drought watering plan: sacrificing food gardens for swimming pools? by letta mego</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 02:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on, you KNOW the more money you have the more you&#039;re just entitled to lie, cheat, rob and murder.... and use up all the water,  and whatever....   just ask the president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on, you KNOW the more money you have the more you&#8217;re just entitled to lie, cheat, rob and murder&#8230;. and use up all the water,  and whatever&#8230;.   just ask the president.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to Oklahoma Conservatives by alixers505</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a ton of information here, so let’s go through this one by one:

1.	In Oklahoma it is illegal to sell along public right of ways (sidewalks, roads, rest stops on the highways and toll roads, etc.) Where legal, such high prices are charged for licenses and they usually incorporate such bizarre regulatory requirements that they make street vending illegal. If this kind of free enterprise were legalized, we would end up with a non-stop flea market from one end of the state to the other along our freeways and toll roads. Food trucks would be everywhere, offering tasty Oklahoma foods to travelers. It would give people reasons to stop and spend money in Oklahoma and provide ways for Oklahomans to start their own micro-enterprises that could grow, with time and effort, into full-time employment. 


I can most definitely see the reasoning behind having some sort of law for this.  I would not want a “non-stop flea market from one end of the state to the other”.  For one, there isn’t enough money to support that many small businesses along the highways, and secondly, it is very unlikely that such a small stand would make enough in Oklahoma to support a person’s livelihood.  There is a reason certain laws are in place.  Besides preventing an eye-sore, what are some other reasons this one was put in place?  It is possible that during the time this law was passed, there was a rash of food born illnesses related to small stands.  Was there a problem with wildlife or pests?  Were people killed by cars losing control?  Was someone’s personal property damaged by vehicles parking in their yard to go to the roadside stands? Or, these entrepreneurs might have been leaving their trash strewn across the highway.  Maybe there just weren’t enough police/highway patrol to regulate the areas. There are any number of reasons this law could have been put in place.  To know whether or not it should still be implemented, I would need to know the exact wording of the law(s), and instances in which it was upheld.  

Also, how much is the license?  Does it depend on the type of business, or is it straight across the board?  Do they provide a temporary license for the first month—so that an entrepreneur has the time to make some money before having the pay for the license?  Frankly, before worrying about this type of license, I would go after reducing the prices of fishing licenses (the lifetime license is a great price, but the yearly license is exorbitant), so that the poor could conceivably fish for their food (if there is an appropriate venue in the area), or even sell the products of their labor to people who like to eat fish, but don’t like the activity (of course, if the law you are speaking of also applies to selling the fish, then the right to sell those fish should be included in the cost of the fishing license).  

Also, what do you mean by “such bizarre regulatory requirements that they make street vending illegal”?  What are these requirements?  Why are they bizarre?  And, why were they put in place?  Is there a reason they are still active requirements, or is there more reasoning for abolishing them?  

Changes takes time, deliberation, reasoning, and research.  What is yours?  Oklahoma is not a teeming center for economic enterprise, so a lot of ideas for successful uplifting will inevitably fail.  That doesn’t mean we should stop trying, but some things just aren’t going to work here because of public finances (not just on the part of people looking to sell something, but also on the part of people who have the extra money to buy something).  Are there research studies or surveys asking: what kinds of businesses Oklahomans would like to see more of; what kinds of businesses frequently go out of business quickly, and whether that was because of location, lack of need for the items sold, etc; what kind of businesses would Oklahomans (seeking to become entrepreneurs) like to set up?

Let’s see the research!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a ton of information here, so let’s go through this one by one:</p>
<p>1.	In Oklahoma it is illegal to sell along public right of ways (sidewalks, roads, rest stops on the highways and toll roads, etc.) Where legal, such high prices are charged for licenses and they usually incorporate such bizarre regulatory requirements that they make street vending illegal. If this kind of free enterprise were legalized, we would end up with a non-stop flea market from one end of the state to the other along our freeways and toll roads. Food trucks would be everywhere, offering tasty Oklahoma foods to travelers. It would give people reasons to stop and spend money in Oklahoma and provide ways for Oklahomans to start their own micro-enterprises that could grow, with time and effort, into full-time employment. </p>
<p>I can most definitely see the reasoning behind having some sort of law for this.  I would not want a “non-stop flea market from one end of the state to the other”.  For one, there isn’t enough money to support that many small businesses along the highways, and secondly, it is very unlikely that such a small stand would make enough in Oklahoma to support a person’s livelihood.  There is a reason certain laws are in place.  Besides preventing an eye-sore, what are some other reasons this one was put in place?  It is possible that during the time this law was passed, there was a rash of food born illnesses related to small stands.  Was there a problem with wildlife or pests?  Were people killed by cars losing control?  Was someone’s personal property damaged by vehicles parking in their yard to go to the roadside stands? Or, these entrepreneurs might have been leaving their trash strewn across the highway.  Maybe there just weren’t enough police/highway patrol to regulate the areas. There are any number of reasons this law could have been put in place.  To know whether or not it should still be implemented, I would need to know the exact wording of the law(s), and instances in which it was upheld.  </p>
<p>Also, how much is the license?  Does it depend on the type of business, or is it straight across the board?  Do they provide a temporary license for the first month—so that an entrepreneur has the time to make some money before having the pay for the license?  Frankly, before worrying about this type of license, I would go after reducing the prices of fishing licenses (the lifetime license is a great price, but the yearly license is exorbitant), so that the poor could conceivably fish for their food (if there is an appropriate venue in the area), or even sell the products of their labor to people who like to eat fish, but don’t like the activity (of course, if the law you are speaking of also applies to selling the fish, then the right to sell those fish should be included in the cost of the fishing license).  </p>
<p>Also, what do you mean by “such bizarre regulatory requirements that they make street vending illegal”?  What are these requirements?  Why are they bizarre?  And, why were they put in place?  Is there a reason they are still active requirements, or is there more reasoning for abolishing them?  </p>
<p>Changes takes time, deliberation, reasoning, and research.  What is yours?  Oklahoma is not a teeming center for economic enterprise, so a lot of ideas for successful uplifting will inevitably fail.  That doesn’t mean we should stop trying, but some things just aren’t going to work here because of public finances (not just on the part of people looking to sell something, but also on the part of people who have the extra money to buy something).  Are there research studies or surveys asking: what kinds of businesses Oklahomans would like to see more of; what kinds of businesses frequently go out of business quickly, and whether that was because of location, lack of need for the items sold, etc; what kind of businesses would Oklahomans (seeking to become entrepreneurs) like to set up?</p>
<p>Let’s see the research!</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to Oklahoma Conservatives by GardenWoman</title>
		<link>http://www.bobwaldrop.net/?p=1279&#038;cpage=1#comment-12354</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have come to believe that true self-sufficiency is what the Big Business crowd fears most. While the Right Wing Noise Machine rants incessantly about the need for everyone (especially the poverty-stricken) to be &quot;self-sufficient,&quot; if someone really wanted to pursue self-sufficiency (raise chickens, large garden in front yard, coppice wood for heat, whatever) Big Business would be decidedly unhappy, to put it mildly. The &quot;helping bureaucracy&quot; (government social workers, etc.) who also get a paycheck due to the existence of poverty, aren&#039;t that much more interested in ending poverty through self-sufficieny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have come to believe that true self-sufficiency is what the Big Business crowd fears most. While the Right Wing Noise Machine rants incessantly about the need for everyone (especially the poverty-stricken) to be &#8220;self-sufficient,&#8221; if someone really wanted to pursue self-sufficiency (raise chickens, large garden in front yard, coppice wood for heat, whatever) Big Business would be decidedly unhappy, to put it mildly. The &#8220;helping bureaucracy&#8221; (government social workers, etc.) who also get a paycheck due to the existence of poverty, aren&#8217;t that much more interested in ending poverty through self-sufficieny.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two Parables from the 1990s for the 2010s &#8212; Behold the Welfare Mother and Food Stamps in my hand. by tesss</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 02:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I really like your writing, I find often you say exactly what I would like to articulate if I had the words for it.

However, in the piece, I take umbrage in the analogy of whether it&#039;s proper and right for the government to be the main supplier of charity to a people and the work of Christ on the cross.

here&#039;s a story i haven&#039;t seen on your site yet... a poor man is able to find work with one of his neighbors. he&#039;s been unemployed for a while and he knows what hunger feels like on a daily basis. at the end of the day, he goes to collect his pay but he gets less than the rate agreed on. 

the neighbor explains that he has to give that money to those who allow him to hire people.

1 timothy 5:18 says the worker deserves his pay and not to muzzle the ox while he&#039;s treading the wheat. how often do we do that with the instrument of an &#039;income&#039; taxes we lay on people to pay for state sponsored charity, regardless of who the recipient of the charity is? How much more generous could those who are gifted with the ability to create wealth be if they weren&#039;t stunted by those who seek to make a profit on poverty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I really like your writing, I find often you say exactly what I would like to articulate if I had the words for it.</p>
<p>However, in the piece, I take umbrage in the analogy of whether it&#8217;s proper and right for the government to be the main supplier of charity to a people and the work of Christ on the cross.</p>
<p>here&#8217;s a story i haven&#8217;t seen on your site yet&#8230; a poor man is able to find work with one of his neighbors. he&#8217;s been unemployed for a while and he knows what hunger feels like on a daily basis. at the end of the day, he goes to collect his pay but he gets less than the rate agreed on. </p>
<p>the neighbor explains that he has to give that money to those who allow him to hire people.</p>
<p>1 timothy 5:18 says the worker deserves his pay and not to muzzle the ox while he&#8217;s treading the wheat. how often do we do that with the instrument of an &#8216;income&#8217; taxes we lay on people to pay for state sponsored charity, regardless of who the recipient of the charity is? How much more generous could those who are gifted with the ability to create wealth be if they weren&#8217;t stunted by those who seek to make a profit on poverty?</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to Oklahoma Conservatives by webkeeper</title>
		<link>http://www.bobwaldrop.net/?p=1279&#038;cpage=1#comment-12351</link>
		<dc:creator>webkeeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People always say that freedom means chaos and that just isn&#039;t true.  In fact, freedom may be profitable when it comes to property values. The neighborhood where I live was built up long before OKC got into the nanny state zoning business, and it is a wonderful neighborhood.  My house has increased in value 300% since 1997. Well, that&#039;s the opinion of the tax assessor anyway.  In this neighborhood millionaires may live across the street from a woman on welfare or a guy working a blue collar job. We are integrated ethnically, culturally, economically, and racially.   There may be a college student in a garage apartment next door in the back yard.  It is an interesting neighborhood, much more so than the architectural monocultures of the suburban areas with their segregation by economic class, culture, and ethnicity.  

As far the cottage food laws, botulism doesn&#039;t grow in breads, cakes, pies, and etc.  It doesn&#039;t grow in high acid foods like jams, jellies, and pickles.  Check your science before throwing your laws around.  

Finally, if you think anyone is protecting you from being served filet of feline overlord at your neighborhood restaurant, food truck, or cafe, think again because that&#039;s not happening.  nobody is running around doing DNA tests on meats in restaurant refrigerators. There is much less going on with food inspection than most people think.  You would be better off buying your vegetables from someone in your neighborhood than you are at a big box supermarket.  At least your neighborhood vegetables are more likely to be free ot listeria and other fun disease organisms that are rampant in the conventional food inudstry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People always say that freedom means chaos and that just isn&#8217;t true.  In fact, freedom may be profitable when it comes to property values. The neighborhood where I live was built up long before OKC got into the nanny state zoning business, and it is a wonderful neighborhood.  My house has increased in value 300% since 1997. Well, that&#8217;s the opinion of the tax assessor anyway.  In this neighborhood millionaires may live across the street from a woman on welfare or a guy working a blue collar job. We are integrated ethnically, culturally, economically, and racially.   There may be a college student in a garage apartment next door in the back yard.  It is an interesting neighborhood, much more so than the architectural monocultures of the suburban areas with their segregation by economic class, culture, and ethnicity.  </p>
<p>As far the cottage food laws, botulism doesn&#8217;t grow in breads, cakes, pies, and etc.  It doesn&#8217;t grow in high acid foods like jams, jellies, and pickles.  Check your science before throwing your laws around.  </p>
<p>Finally, if you think anyone is protecting you from being served filet of feline overlord at your neighborhood restaurant, food truck, or cafe, think again because that&#8217;s not happening.  nobody is running around doing DNA tests on meats in restaurant refrigerators. There is much less going on with food inspection than most people think.  You would be better off buying your vegetables from someone in your neighborhood than you are at a big box supermarket.  At least your neighborhood vegetables are more likely to be free ot listeria and other fun disease organisms that are rampant in the conventional food inudstry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to Oklahoma Conservatives by exboyracer</title>
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		<dc:creator>exboyracer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herein lies the problem.  I don&#039;t want my neighbor to move a trailer into the back yard build an outhouse or raise chickens.  I want to know that when I get food from a food truck it isn&#039;t my neighbors cat, that is in the burger.  I don&#039;t want my neighbor to start a truck farm in the back yard and sell stuff from a stall in the front yard.  I don&#039;t want someone without a drivers license who bought a 25 year old death trap to start a taxi service that would eventually put out of business any company that was running safer cabs - there would be no safe cabs.  Non hazardous food like canned goods -- google botulism.

You really need to take a trip to one of these unregulated paradises you espouse.  Try the Philippines, or any of a number of countries that have one foot in the third world and one foot in the 1st world.  You will find that there is little value of human life - and humans living in a lot worse conditions than here.  But they live basically unregulated, and they pay the price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herein lies the problem.  I don&#8217;t want my neighbor to move a trailer into the back yard build an outhouse or raise chickens.  I want to know that when I get food from a food truck it isn&#8217;t my neighbors cat, that is in the burger.  I don&#8217;t want my neighbor to start a truck farm in the back yard and sell stuff from a stall in the front yard.  I don&#8217;t want someone without a drivers license who bought a 25 year old death trap to start a taxi service that would eventually put out of business any company that was running safer cabs &#8211; there would be no safe cabs.  Non hazardous food like canned goods &#8212; google botulism.</p>
<p>You really need to take a trip to one of these unregulated paradises you espouse.  Try the Philippines, or any of a number of countries that have one foot in the third world and one foot in the 1st world.  You will find that there is little value of human life &#8211; and humans living in a lot worse conditions than here.  But they live basically unregulated, and they pay the price.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to Oklahoma Conservatives by BrandonDutcher</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 03:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent! Very well said. Let freedom ring!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent! Very well said. Let freedom ring!</p>
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		<title>Comment on My endorsements for the 2012 Election by webkeeper</title>
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		<dc:creator>webkeeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 01:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the Oklahoma Policy report and I am not persuaded.  My taxes have increased ever single year since I bought this place by 5%. The Ok Policy blog should have backed its comments with actual research because as near as I can tell, everybody&#039;s taxes are going up reliably by 5%/year. Mine have almost doubled and are heading towards $100/month.  I think the property tax is one of the most dangerous taxes, especially since we are headed into economic hard times. During the Depression, tens of thousands of Oklahoma farmers lost their land because they couldn&#039;t pay the taxes on it. Fortunes were made in rural areas by buying up properties for the taxes. I worry that we are headed into something similar, only in urban areas. If we get Texas-style property taxes, which I think is the direction we are going, it will become virtually impossible for low income people to own any property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the Oklahoma Policy report and I am not persuaded.  My taxes have increased ever single year since I bought this place by 5%. The Ok Policy blog should have backed its comments with actual research because as near as I can tell, everybody&#8217;s taxes are going up reliably by 5%/year. Mine have almost doubled and are heading towards $100/month.  I think the property tax is one of the most dangerous taxes, especially since we are headed into economic hard times. During the Depression, tens of thousands of Oklahoma farmers lost their land because they couldn&#8217;t pay the taxes on it. Fortunes were made in rural areas by buying up properties for the taxes. I worry that we are headed into something similar, only in urban areas. If we get Texas-style property taxes, which I think is the direction we are going, it will become virtually impossible for low income people to own any property.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My endorsements for the 2012 Election by davidglover</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 01:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think of reconsidering 758, it is a bait and switch, most properties do not get the higher assessment, but if you lower it from the ones that do you can actually INCREASE taxes on lower income owners.  See this for verification:  OK Policy urges a no vote.  http://okpolicy.org/2012-state-questions-summary-and-analysis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think of reconsidering 758, it is a bait and switch, most properties do not get the higher assessment, but if you lower it from the ones that do you can actually INCREASE taxes on lower income owners.  See this for verification:  OK Policy urges a no vote.  <a href="http://okpolicy.org/2012-state-questions-summary-and-analysis" rel="nofollow">http://okpolicy.org/2012-state-questions-summary-and-analysis</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to Congressman Paul Ryan. by TMLutas</title>
		<link>http://www.bobwaldrop.net/?p=1191&#038;cpage=1#comment-12334</link>
		<dc:creator>TMLutas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked your letter. I am puzzled why you think that the VP of the US would be able to do much about it. I think my town council would profit from your well written letter and be in a better position to do something about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked your letter. I am puzzled why you think that the VP of the US would be able to do much about it. I think my town council would profit from your well written letter and be in a better position to do something about it.</p>
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